tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post8682258812495748533..comments2023-06-24T01:15:34.627-07:00Comments on The Skeptic Zone: im-skepticalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-53080601863565809282016-07-14T17:19:22.123-07:002016-07-14T17:19:22.123-07:00@JoeBtfsplk
At this point I'm going to ventur...@JoeBtfsplk<br /><br />At this point I'm going to venture that you are a Crude sock account.<br /><br />Papa L/ must have kicked your ass pretty hard for you to pursue a flame war vendetta this persistently.Merrillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13321803025501580714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-50271895080105439992016-07-07T08:31:49.057-07:002016-07-07T08:31:49.057-07:00I avoided making my own interpretations of Nietzsc...I avoided making my own interpretations of Nietzsche's words. I am aware that much of his philosophy is repugnant.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-38054300876376414802016-07-07T04:28:08.831-07:002016-07-07T04:28:08.831-07:00His statement is basically this:
1 - [P is false ...His statement is basically this:<br /><br />1 - [P is false since "the facts"]<br /><br />Say that Q = "the facts"<br /><br />1* - [P is false since Q]<br /><br />You seem to think his assertion is equivalent to this:<br /><br />2 - [P is false since "I say P is false"]<br /><br />Say that R = "I say P is false"<br /><br />2* - [P is false since R]<br /><br />The statements are equivalent if Q and R denote the same thing. Unless IM-Skeptical is referencing the fact that he says P is false as the fact that shows P is false then Q and R are not equivalent since they denote different things. i.e. suppose the fact that he is referencing is "1 + 1 = 2". "1 + 1 = 2" is not the same proposition as "I say P is false", so if that was the fact that he was referencing then Q and R would not be equivalent, so there would be a substantial difference. <br /><br />Now I don't agree with IM about interpretations of Nietzsche, but I also think no person should ever bother reading Nietzsche so I obviously have no interest in even talking about him. Ryan Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15738381414795204410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-63795381542471833582016-07-06T16:51:54.446-07:002016-07-06T16:51:54.446-07:00crude is obsessed with this accusation. He has be...crude is obsessed with this accusation. He has been saying the same thing over and over again for years. You, know, because he's filled with the loving spirit of the Lord.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-5281680269127562952016-07-06T15:07:20.432-07:002016-07-06T15:07:20.432-07:00And, Papa, you are in love with plagiarism:
Ed F...And, Papa, you are in love with plagiarism:<br /><br /><a href="http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/09/was-aquinas-dualist.html?showComment=1349025520932#c7285703798154290064" rel="nofollow"> <b>Ed Feser: Was Aquinas a Dualist?</b></a><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-4387894625518486892016-07-01T05:50:00.519-07:002016-07-01T05:50:00.519-07:00Or more succinctly, they are in love with belief i...Or more succinctly, they are in love with belief in belief.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-11072655391959662702016-06-30T15:28:04.042-07:002016-06-30T15:28:04.042-07:00For that matter, how can you love something that i...For that matter, how can you love something that isn't? How can you receive moral guidance from it? As Daniel Dennett puts it, Christians are in love with belief.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-60138719104187053172016-06-30T15:11:41.882-07:002016-06-30T15:11:41.882-07:00"You really hate God, don't you?"
H..."You really hate God, don't you?"<br /><br />How can you hate something that isn't?<br /><br />Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-16636111370206946232016-06-30T13:00:03.730-07:002016-06-30T13:00:03.730-07:00No, but I do love the truth.No, but I do love the truth.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-52097398033442768542016-06-30T12:27:44.109-07:002016-06-30T12:27:44.109-07:00You really hate God, don't you?You really hate God, don't you?planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-34494825941218433362016-06-30T11:05:53.078-07:002016-06-30T11:05:53.078-07:00They don't worship a god either.They don't worship a god either.<br />im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-82160158896239922762016-06-30T10:53:48.834-07:002016-06-30T10:53:48.834-07:00Amongst those who track such things, Bhutan (a ver...Amongst those who track such things, Bhutan (a very religious country) is often cited as the happiest country in the world.planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-29522517356440107532016-06-30T09:04:31.710-07:002016-06-30T09:04:31.710-07:00When I refer to facts, I am talking about objectiv...When I refer to facts, I am talking about objective, verifiable information - not just "Because I say so!"<br /><br />It's objectively true that the happiest countries are the secular nations of northern Europe where religiosity is lowest. This is in stark contrast to what Feser would have us believe "Because I say so!"im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-42892067082668832052016-06-30T07:44:51.402-07:002016-06-30T07:44:51.402-07:00But the facts tell us that's not true.
That&#...<i>But the facts tell us that's not true.</i><br /><br />That's one strange sentence there. I see no substantive difference between it and saying "Because I say so!"planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-74531506120863388892016-06-30T07:07:47.524-07:002016-06-30T07:07:47.524-07:00Where does our innate morality come from? It'...Where does our innate morality come from? It's instinct that evolved in our ancestors as a mechanism for social cooperation. Christians think it comes from God, because they think everything comes from God. And then they go around pretending that people can't have morality unless they are religious. But the facts tell us that's not true.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-49514514335619320802016-06-29T23:46:05.423-07:002016-06-29T23:46:05.423-07:00where do the come im?where do the come im?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-36388289305088620252016-06-28T07:30:26.668-07:002016-06-28T07:30:26.668-07:00I agree. And Christians like Feser completely fai...I agree. And Christians like Feser completely fail to understand where values based on fundamental human morality really come from.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-51721052670665828072016-06-28T04:53:54.031-07:002016-06-28T04:53:54.031-07:00Feser: "A religion is not merely a set of met...Feser: "A religion is not merely a set of metaphysical propositions but embodies a culture's highest values..."<br /><br />In other words, accept Christianity's metaphysical propositions or reject your civilization's highest values. Choose, atheist!<br /><br />No thanks. If those "metaphysical principles" are arbitrary, ad hoc, ungrounded or unconvincing, I can't pretend otherwise, no matter how vehemently Feser protests that my lack of conviction is tearing down the pillars of Western civilization or summoning the armies of the undead from beyond the Wall.<br /><br />Feser's quote makes much more sense, however, if we delete the adjective "highest." Religions obviously do tend to embody a culture's values -- though religion can also embody and perpetuate "values" a culture has since discarded as unfair, unjust, or needlessly harmful and destructive. AdamHazzardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10060712735385637274noreply@blogger.com