tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post429556507307764210..comments2023-06-24T01:15:34.627-07:00Comments on The Skeptic Zone: im-skepticalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-72686053809857852872015-06-04T13:44:42.501-07:002015-06-04T13:44:42.501-07:00You are correct (about the spelling - not about an...You are correct (about the spelling - not about anything else you have said here).im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-28474104467964748972015-06-04T12:33:17.411-07:002015-06-04T12:33:17.411-07:00Fairies don't have tails! (tales, maybe...)Fairies don't have tails! (tales, maybe...)planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-48853145551436931102015-06-04T11:21:47.510-07:002015-06-04T11:21:47.510-07:00By whose standards? Mine. Which are far better t...By whose standards? Mine. Which are far better than yours. Who are you to dispute that? You believe in fairy tails.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-38096131372461061572015-06-04T10:24:10.931-07:002015-06-04T10:24:10.931-07:00But you have no grounds for calling anyone a hypoc...But you have no grounds for calling anyone a hypocrite, since all is subjective. In fact, of all evils, hypocrisy would be the one vice you would be least able to condemn. How could you if everything is in the eye of the beholder? <br /><br />Same goes for "enlightened" - enlightened by whose standards? If you say by the standards of the self-proclaimed "enlightened", then you're arguing in circles!planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-19291896982730458802015-06-04T09:19:40.613-07:002015-06-04T09:19:40.613-07:00Sheer hypocrisy. They better not ask Catholics li...Sheer hypocrisy. They better not ask Catholics like Prokop or Yachov to serve them in their businesses in the same way they serve others. You may claim that this treatment is compassionate and respectful, but that would be a lie.<br /><br />The fact is, your bible and your church establish a pattern of behavior that is immoral and unconscionable by the standards of any enlightened society.im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-34419581335920879142015-06-04T08:08:27.196-07:002015-06-04T08:08:27.196-07:00im-skeptical: "Unlike many Christians, I unde...im-skeptical: "<i>Unlike many Christians, I understand that gay people ... deserve our <b>respect and compassion</b>.</i>" (emphasis added)<br /><br /><i>Catechism of the Catholic Church</i>: They [homosexuals] must be accepted with <b>respect, compassion</b>, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. (Paragraph 2358, emphasis added)<br /><br />I am pleased to see that you are quoting from the <i>Catechism</i> in your postings.planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-73586883218942585332015-06-04T07:39:57.407-07:002015-06-04T07:39:57.407-07:00"And you specifically, im-skeptical, have no ..."And you specifically, im-skeptical, have no logical, rational grounds for calling calling anyone a bigot or hater for disagreeing with you on the issue of same sex marriage. After all, it's all subjective, so who's to say your subjective view is any less bigoted or hateful than anyone else's?"<br /><br />Your morality is no more objective than mine. You only <i>think</i> it is. But unlike you, I have the ability to understand how it arises, and to realize that rationality can supersede the capricious and arbitrary dictates of a fictitious iron-age God. Unlike many Christians, I understand that gay people are humans, no better or worse than the rest of us, and that they deserve our respect and compassion. Unlike Christians, I understand that it is wrong to coerce a young child to believe a lie, under the threat of eternal suffering.<br /><br />What rational grounds do I have for making such judgments? I have my rational mind. And it works better than yours, because it isn't addled with irrational religious belief. It is you who has no rational ground for passing judgment. Your belief is illogical, irrational, and unfounded. im-skepticalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267710618719895303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-221547022510742794.post-39670402778536231462015-06-04T05:13:30.856-07:002015-06-04T05:13:30.856-07:00You yourself provide sound reason to believe that ...You yourself provide sound reason to believe that God is required for morality to exist with nearly every sentence you write. No counter argument is needed here. You've made it already. Witness:<br /><br />"societal-based morality changes with time and place"<br />" I think there are no objective moral values."<br />"we <i>feel</i> that there are real moral values" (emphasis added)<br />"We do have moral values, but they are very much subjective"<br />"objective moral values ... are only objective within the context of a particular society, or segment of society"<br />"All the rest is either subjective, or it changes along with society"<br /><br />You've already done all the heavy lifting for anyone arguing against you! All they'd have to do is quote you to prove that atheists have no morality. If morality is subjective, if it changes, or is contextual, then you have no grounds whatsoever for ever condemning anyone's actions, no matter how horrible. And you specifically, im-skeptical, have no logical, rational grounds for calling calling anyone a bigot or hater for disagreeing with you on the issue of same sex marriage. After all, it's all subjective, so who's to say your subjective view is any less bigoted or hateful than anyone else's?<br /><br />I prefer what J.R.R. Tolkien had to say on this matter:<br /><br />"The world is all grown strange [said Eomer]. ... How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"<br /><br />"As he has ever judged," said Aragorn. Good and evil have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."planks lengthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01176715815596833639noreply@blogger.com